AshtonBlades Posted April 8, 2003 Author Report Posted April 8, 2003 *Goes up to stage again and snatches the mic away. Gives The Big Pointy One and Wyvern a big grin, and raises the mic to his mouth.* Ya'll didn't think you could leave me out, It's not double anymore, a fourway 'bout, BPO can't see me, you think you could? I snap the Big Pointy Stick and then use it as firewood, Pestilence is dope, but a pet still, I crush you like them flies that I see on the windowsill, Wyvern may be the only match to me, but there's no way he'll ever be the Freestyle King, I am the best, I always prevail, Rhymes bounce off of me like I got on ringed mail, All three of you wack, you can't do it, Cock the pistol and then light you up with my lyrical bullets, My pen is mighter than any sword or stick, Ya'll are just nothing, rhyming just forget, get off the stage, it's my time to shine, You need to learn alot more about the way of rhyme, Now her's the mic, I've said my lot, Bring out your potential, let me see what you got. *Holds out the mic for anyone to take.*
The Big Pointy One Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 (edited) Wow, look at this, the Ashton's back he finally recovered from my previous attack his blade must have been sharpened but it doesn't matter 'cause of everyone up here, the Big Pointy One is sharper I've got a bag full of tricks to go with the BigPointyStick and you think that it's sick the way your girl gobbles my... woah, nevermind that, it's a little bit crude but I just can't help being a little bit rude I get a little bit scary when all these imposters try to step up they think they're freestylers but they just get messed up I'll give you all credit you can carry a beat and pull of the rhyme but there's only one Mighty Penner who's great all the time You all know and love this number one man We all know why, it's easy to understand His lyrics and vocals just can't be beat down, it's just that simple When he steps to the mic, he pops your head just like a pimple His words carry farther then the Mighty keep's walls His elegant prose always echoes through our halls No one can get quite enough of his stuff And no one really cares he's made out of fluff I'm takling of course about my little lapin friend The little guy who's gonna be with me 'til the end The rabbit who's smart, so cool and definiteally funny I'm talking of course about the one, the only, the Mr.Bunny Hit it, Mr.B! "..." Yeah, that's right you heard it from him He's victorious time and time again Over the mic no one is better, no one stands a chance But here's an opening, who's ready to dance? *And the mic flies in the air to...* (Edit: I really have to work more on the whole slamming thing... I realise all of my posts lately have just been ego-flares or something, which isn't bad, but it isn't great, IMHO ) Edited April 9, 2003 by The Big Pointy One
time ends Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 ashton crashin into the dirt my s*** is a river, but yours is only a sqirt outa this water gun better run cause ima hit you like a super soaker im wrap you up like a roaper and ckoke ya with my maniacal rhymes cause your still stuck back in time so you say my sh** is a crime face scrunched up like your suckin a lime step back get back in line and when you hear a beat dont even try to floy instead pack yo bags hit da road while i sit around and watch you unload your pathetic rap it sounds like crap why the fu** you gotta gimmie that crap about music comin from the heart your sh** stinks like a nasty fart and now im gonna part. thats what you get for tryin to mess with me *Ashton* hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AshtonBlades Posted April 9, 2003 Author Report Posted April 9, 2003 *...AshtonBlades snatches it from time ends* Hey yo, I smell a smelly smell that smells and really smells, Oh wait, it's BPO, the stink of his rhymes dwell, The Blade is always sharp, I'm hot like hot sauce, I take this blade and cut yo' BigPointyStick off, Watch the Great One as he comes out the blue, Snatch the mic, and light up the crowd like a lit fuse, But as for you, your fuse is slowly dimmin dude, Stop trying to be nice and be crude, Watch me as I acheive nirvana, Take a belt, draw it back, and spank yo' mama, Now take the mic, and what you got to to, As I laugh at you, and you and your dirty crew.
Salinye Posted April 9, 2003 Report Posted April 9, 2003 (edited) (Just a side note, I've never tried rap before lol :0) However, here you go, just for all you wonderful writers. *smile*) (Another side ooc note, I just edited this to fix the format that was messed up. I honestly wrote it off the cuff, but I write everything in word first to avoid losing material before "submit post" button is hit. It is my mission to find a solution to this transfer problem RAAWWWRR!) A woman simply yet elegantly dressed steps up taking the mic and speaks words that do not sound natural coming from her mouth. What is this? King of the Hill? King of the ghetto Shpeal? Such talent is rot when it's spouted without thought. You dive in, hope to swim against the current, However, most of what I've seen is a deterrent. Be careful grab your water wings, lest you should drown. I'm here to announce there's a new girl in town. I may look simple, I may seem sweet, But don't underestimate me, you'll find yourself beneath my feet. I'm like the kind bard, Insults I find hard. But if you challenge I'll duel. Pull out your sword, fool. So all of you writ rapping wanna be's Reading this saying "Puhleez". Just sit back and think before you jump up and sing Do you really want to be known as the GHETTO RAP KING? Edited April 10, 2003 by Salinye
The Big Pointy One Posted April 10, 2003 Report Posted April 10, 2003 Ah, we have a newcomer into our battle rap square rounding the corners freestyling with the slightest of care What's up Salinye, why are you here? did you lose a dare 'Cause you must have a good reason for battlin' with us I mean, you look like you have the stuff but that's not enough If you're gonna step between Ashton and Wyvmettic And myself, the Big Pointy One, well I'm pathetic but that doesn't matter, I suppose Nothing's phatter, than our prose And this is freestyle, it's how it goes I welcome you here with momentary grace but stand back i'm about to put you in place Alright, you jump in and talk about the kings talkin' like you just watched Lord of the Rings Oh wait, Ashton started that royalty talk Excuse me while I take a little walk, backwards take it back a couple lines, rewind, now forwards And my brain just broke, like some moldy old folk So I'm gonna blush and toss the mic to someone with talent While I head off to the corner, my last little bit I'm about to lament. (Bah, brain flopped)
AshtonBlades Posted April 10, 2003 Author Report Posted April 10, 2003 (Just a side note, I've never tried rap before lol :0) However, here you go, just for all you wonderful writers. *smile*) (Another side ooc note, I just edited this to fix the format that was messed up. I honestly wrote it off the cuff, but I write everything in word first to avoid losing material before "submit post" button is hit. It is my mission to find a solution to this transfer problem RAAWWWRR!) A woman simply yet elegantly dressed steps up taking the mic and speaks words that do not sound natural coming from her mouth. What is this? King of the Hill? King of the ghetto Shpeal? Such talent is rot when it's spouted without thought. You dive in, hope to swim against the current, However, most of what I've seen is a deterrent. Be careful grab your water wings, lest you should drown. I'm here to announce there's a new girl in town. I may look simple, I may seem sweet, But don't underestimate me, you'll find yourself beneath my feet. I'm like the kind bard, Insults I find hard. But if you challenge I'll duel. Pull out your sword, fool. So all of you writ rapping wanna be's Reading this saying "Puhleez". Just sit back and think before you jump up and sing Do you really want to be known as the GHETTO RAP KING? *Ashton stares at her in disbelief, then takes the mic.* Who are you, the new Lil' Kim? I take yo' mediocre rhymes and snap them like a Slim Jim, I'm the Freestyle King man, come on, get it right, You're just a dim star, my star shines bright, Sorry, your rap has gone awry, After I flame you you be talking about yo' problems on Maury, I'm a gentelmen, ladies first, But after that, gentelmen no more, prepare for the worst, I'm authentic, I don't curse, Spit it so hard, you forget your next verse, You can be the bard, I'll be the knight, I can make Mona Lisa smile, 'cause my rap is nice, Now I'm gonna stop my ongoing status quo another day, you can be the side show. *Gives her the mic back and waits patiently*
Salinye Posted April 10, 2003 Report Posted April 10, 2003 (edited) Laughs and smiles, suddenly a bit shy that the attention is on her, but oh well, she's gotta try. *Takes the mic back* You think you're the king? More like my peasant. Step back, I'll track you down, Just like a hunter does the pheasant. You should stick to what you do best, Like serving me whine and letting me rest. Here you are, up in my face, Prancing around like you own the place. You think your star shines bright, But yo' lyrics ain't tight. Hoping to win against me, That just ain't right! You talk about Phat, But your rap is flat. Don't you know you're dealing With the queen of Perky? Step off the stage, you're just a jive Turkey. Then there is the pointy One, He's up there wavin' his tongue Like he's all that and then some You're like a yo yo, in a mojo, with ho ho, But now I digress, just trying to impress. Listen here, Ashton, you say you're a knight, So pull out your sword and let's fight. Best be warned, if you care to duel, You're likely to end up in a puddle of your drool. Now step right back before I kick you wit' a stiletto Like I said before, YOUR RAP IS GHETTO! Smiles a bit embarrassed and hands the mic back. (OOC: I have to apologize in advance, I really don't believe any of what I'm spouting! No wonder rap lyrics are so violent, it's like you gotta be insulting! lol *sigh* I don't know what I'm doing trying to run with the big dogs!) **edit note** I was going to edit my typo, changing whine to wine, but now that I read it, I think I like the typo better than the original intent. :0) lol Edited April 10, 2003 by Salinye
AshtonBlades Posted April 10, 2003 Author Report Posted April 10, 2003 *Takes the mic back from Salinye* So now you think that I'm am your peasant, You rap the past, I rap the present, So you say that my rap is flat, You've got to be kidding, with yo' amateur crap, Yo, you just another novice that's about to get burned, How I got so good, well that's none of your concern, I spit these rhymes, with stylistic division, I'll snipe you away, with rapid precision, You flow like jagged rocks on display, I flow like the river on a cool sunny day, Say, you think because you can rap that your okay? Wait, you can make two words rhyme, hooray! A five year old kid can make two words rhyme, You're just nothing, my stuff is sublime, I rip you up like a Great White Shark, Your stuff is boring, I'd be better off staring at bark, Like you said, you runnin' with the big dogs now, When I'm done, you be staring at me like, "How?"
Salinye Posted April 11, 2003 Report Posted April 11, 2003 (That was great, Ashton! Touche!) Ashton Blades you make me laugh and smile! So kick on back and listen to me for a while. You say I think I'm okay because I can rap, Well I'm here to tell you I'm great, but not because of this crap. I walk in style and I flow with grace. Why is there a need for one of us to save face? You say you're a great white shark, but you're swimmin' in my ocean. Hangin' with me is like drinkin' from a potion. Your head starts spinnin' an' you're feelin' kinda dazed. Take a look around -you might find yourself Amazed. Amazed and trippin' that a simple girly like me, Would dare to call you out, so everyone can see. You showed up to stand the test bringing your best Slingin' your rhyme like the master of a rap fest. Touche my friend, you've proved a worthy challenge thus far I rather find all this silly mud slinging quite bazaar. Now it's time I hand the mic back, Time for this sheep to jump outta' the wolf pack.
time ends Posted April 11, 2003 Report Posted April 11, 2003 how can you guys forget me im gonna be the eminem see im white thats right but i can still write these rhymes and stay with the times but dont listen to my words read between the lines ya'll people wanna rhyme like yo sh** is sublime but all ya'll suck you better duck and stay low if you dont wanna get hit by this flow and watch me roll in this dough oh no that that was tight like a rope stop trippin like you smokin dope me and ashton gonna play russian rollets and you never even see me bustin a sweat. peace*
The Big Pointy One Posted April 11, 2003 Report Posted April 11, 2003 Time ends is back again with slams anew It's about time for my meory to renew Like a library book I've kept too long Man, I'll serve you so fast it'll just be wrong You wanna be the new Eminem do you Well I'm going to have to disappoint you 'Cause Eminem sucks more than you say we do Sure he sells the records and the merchandise But when was the last time he did something nice Like sit around with a bunch of Mighty Penners And rapped with them from experts to beginners You're white? Then Let me clue you in It doesn't matter; The colour of your skin 'Cause all the lyrics and rhythms and hip hop lines They're all deep rooted in our hearts and our minds I'm reading between the lines but all I'm seeing is clutter Looks to me like you're falling apart faster than toast without butter Alright, that didn't make any sense, I know But hey what can I say, that's the way I go 'Talkin' about rolling in the dough, what are you some kinda baker? Seriously, you better go to your girlfirend, 'cause I'm gonna go take her Hah, playin' the Russian Roulette Without dropping any sweat I bet it's because there's no bullets in the chamber You're shooting blanks just like your verse; no danger You want to get dangerous that's fine Step up to the mic, you'll be mine That's right, I'm gonna make you my female dog I'm not gonna curse that's worse than chugging grog I can be a little more creative than that than you But I'll toss the mic back to see how you can do (I think I'm getting worse with each one... gah.)
time ends Posted April 11, 2003 Report Posted April 11, 2003 ever since i came to the pen i've been impressed at all the tallent present its all hear poems, raps, stories, and quizes even debates and people tellin their business this is my escape from reality so listen to me to be continued
AshtonBlades Posted April 21, 2003 Author Report Posted April 21, 2003 (That was great, Ashton! Touche!) Ashton Blades you make me laugh and smile! So kick on back and listen to me for a while. You say I think I'm okay because I can rap, Well I'm here to tell you I'm great, but not because of this crap. I walk in style and I flow with grace. Why is there a need for one of us to save face? You say you're a great white shark, but you're swimmin' in my ocean. Hangin' with me is like drinkin' from a potion. Your head starts spinnin' an' you're feelin' kinda dazed. Take a look around -you might find yourself Amazed. Amazed and trippin' that a simple girly like me, Would dare to call you out, so everyone can see. You showed up to stand the test bringing your best Slingin' your rhyme like the master of a rap fest. Touche my friend, you've proved a worthy challenge thus far I rather find all this silly mud slinging quite bazaar. Now it's time I hand the mic back, Time for this sheep to jump outta' the wolf pack. *Takes the mic again* Hey, look! It's the amateur girl, You'll get blown away as my style unfurls, Every time I knock you down you come back for more, You'll just get burned, 'cause I'm hotter than the core, I'm here, I'm gonna be here for a long time, You'll never hear Blade kick the wrong rhyme, I got this game tied up like a phone line, I suck you up like a sour green lime! I am the master of this rap fest, Everyone's afraid because they know that I'm the best, Now I hand the mic back to you, So you can show me what you do.
Salinye Posted April 21, 2003 Report Posted April 21, 2003 *Takes the mic shaking her head with a smile wondering when this boy will ever learn...* So, you want this lamb back in the slaughter house? Best not consider me prey, sizin' me up- Like a cat does a mouse. That would be your first mistake, don't let it be your last. Underestimating me will get you in trouble fast. Don't mistake my meekness as weakness. I don’t cause trouble, and I’m hardly a pest, But I'm here to show, I can freestyle with the best. I not only talk the talk, but I play the part. I'm no doormat, but I'm a lady at heart. You threw me back up here, thinking I wouldn't measure What you don't know is that I perform well under pressure. So turn the heat up and throw in your best I'll try hard not to send you home cryin' like the rest. *Shyly steps back leaving the mic free still getting used to this free style Thang*
AshtonBlades Posted April 22, 2003 Author Report Posted April 22, 2003 *Grabs the mic* Now listen carefully, to this perspective, Listen as I crush you with my lyrical objective, You're just another pawn in this game I play, Unimportant and standing in my way, A doormat you are, you clean my boots, As I lock you away with the rest of the chicken coop, I'll turn up the heat, higher than you can take, My rhymes slap you around like a box of Shake n' Bake, What's that you say? When will I ever learn? Once you try harder to win, this championship you gotta earn, When we rhyme the sign says "Viewer discresion Advised", They just don't want the crowd to see me make you cry, You're just another greenhorn at this game, But you're proving to be a challenge, I'm glad you came. *Smiles and gives her back the mic*
Salinye Posted April 22, 2003 Report Posted April 22, 2003 *laughs taking the mic back* Here we go.... You think I'm a pawn in this game of chess? More like the queen, so bow down and confess, Confess you're impressed-Impressed I'm still here, Still takin' the mic instead of runnin' off in fear. Clean your boots? I must add an interjection. Listening to me is like getting an infection My rhymes will consume you and penetrate Into your soul, you try to run, but it's too late. Before your composure you can regain My lyrics have already taken control of your brain. So now you walk around like an undead zombie Your thoughts more hollow then a model for Ambercrombie So you wanna escape, you better move faster Bolt now, lest you find yourself calling me master. *laughs at her own ghetto shpeal and hands the mic back*
AshtonBlades Posted April 23, 2003 Author Report Posted April 23, 2003 *Takes mic back* Once again you want me to make you croak, You're just a beginner whose rhymes choke, I'm like a hornet, only sting when I'm provoked, Try the water gun on me and end up gettin' soaked, Better watch out, I'm comin' your way, Screw up your night, then screw up your day, I cut you up like I'm servin' gourmet, Then flame you and Blaze you like I'm makin' flambe' if you continue get beat up like Cassius Clay, Any way you want it have it your way. *Gives Salinye the mic back* PS: I'm 14 years old, Not FIVE! AAAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!
Vincent Silver Posted April 30, 2003 Report Posted April 30, 2003 The Return OF DJ Shiny!! *Grabs mike spins iyt in hand like a dagger and begins to rap* Yo' my lyrical content will leave ya panic-in' I'll destroy the ground around,leave ya sky-walking like Anikin! My word can bloom and blow up in ya face' Bring you to court settle this case! Your rymes are weak,your all living a fantasy Because none of yall can rap like me I'm crazy cool and come in any color Make go crying back home to ya mother! All you jerks are peons compared to my mad skillz Give up,ya lost,it ain't no big deal. PEACE! *Blings Blinks like Mr.T and walks out*
The Big Pointy One Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 (Note: I wrote this while at work, so it may not seem like a freestyle, but at the time, it was indeed, a freestyle ;p ...of course, it is completely un-edited, unless I had spelling errors... heh... ) Alright everyone returning is The Big Pointy One He's not far from being done Yeah he's here to deal some praise In the off-chance he'll get a raise From the ladies if you what I mean If it isn't too obscene Naw I'm comin' clean As I hop on the scene the only thing that's rising is the crowd I've hardly begun and I'm gonna get loud Yeah, they're rising in ovation, screamin' in elation Gonna ease the tension 'cause it's been making steady ascension so if you please, your undivided attnetion It'll only take a few more secs, unlike detention We all came here to spin the frestyle Some of us are new, the rest have been here a while Lately it's mostly been the battle rap Quite frankly I've had enough of that crap Freestylin's about havin' a good time Dropping verse and verse of excellent rhyme And kickin' rhythm and motion Flowin' steady like the ocean (And that's all there was, I know, it was pretty sad, but here I go with the rest of it!) So gathered with us today we have lots of cool cats Talented artists from across the habitats Coming together to spin their frestyle lines Everyone here is a friend of mine So let's begin the list of who's the best No one's the worst, when put to the test We've all got skills of varying type We all deserve praise of varying hype I'm sure we're all having fun and that's what's meant to be done We've got Ashton blades who started us off He's sharp like a sword, mighty like the pen Anyone who steps up against him is likely to cough Likely to choke then stutter; Ashton wins again Alaeha was the first to challenge that shows some guts Whenever someone challenged her, she kicked their butts She has the skills of a true poetic miss Just be careful of her verbal death kiss Wyvmettic was next on the stage He showed rhyming shows no age In other words it doesn't get old Like the verbal midas touch his words are gold Truly the master among apprentices Stepping against him is guaranteed life sentences The Master P, Peredhil showed us his rhyming side Still polite to the e, his kind words turned the tide What else can I say about this Half-elf Elder He's the man, the guy there's no one better Whynotsin comes close with a meek approach Perhaps in time his lyrics he will coach Or maybe he'll sit back and spin a phat beat Regardless he's the guy that everyone needs to meet Then The Death of rats came squeakin' through He showed everyone 'round here a thing or two Even the smallest creature in the land can spin a verse Be wary of appearances, some can leave a deadly curse In this case death, the loss of your breath Cold chill of the earth claming your worth Be wary, he's scary (Squeak!) Heh, alright, I got a bit crazy there Maybe it's because OuijaSama came here Dared and achieved quite a few lines to his surprise Quite the good accomplishment for this fun exercise The next person in was Jareena Faye Who seemed to be able to rhyme all day With her own l'il style that was straight and clean That managed to make her mark without being obscene I'll give her her props, she's got the skills Just better watch out, don't wanna be in her kills Along after that came my man the Falcon2k1 Now there's no one guy who knows the meaning of fun This guy's crazy in such a great way Not to mention poetic, I must say Spinning such eloquent lines I'm sure he sent chills down all your spines Going with the craziness came Vincent Silver Like a bullet to lycanthropes he delivers More Like Vincent Platinum, i'm sure you agree 'Cause his rappin' could sell about a million and three Then Time Ends, well, he actually began He stepped to the mic and everyone ran Writing with inspiration from an outside rapper I'm sure on his own, he'd be much phatter It doesn't matter though, we all have our muse And we're all here just to get amused Seii followed up rather quite nicely With lyrics ever so hot and spicy Maybe not much confidence but that's alright Everyone who gives it a shot is quite tight After a while Pestilence was next We all weren't sure what to expect Went back and forth with yours truly He got me scared, he was so unruly But I'll definitely give him my regards But when he's around I can't drop my guards Last and certainly not least was Salinye Goin' back and forth with Ashton all day Whoops, I'm sorry does it rhyme with I? I'm not sure, it's kinda tricky, well, I'll start anew Quite simply, all I have is kind words for you Very good for a beginner, poetic skills are present When you step in the room, I'll gladly shout 'represent!' In pride, 'cause you're the lady with talent Certainly when you spin there's no reason to lament Well, except for the fact that this is the end of my list I know, my rhymes lately are lamer than someone never been kissed Or at least, the movie, 'cause that's me Heh, whoops, lame again, so sorry I'll just sign out with peace and respect I'm sure you all have more, I expect! Peace! (again)
AshtonBlades Posted June 4, 2003 Author Report Posted June 4, 2003 *Once again takes the mic* 'Sup ya'll! Blades is back! I was bouncin' 'round the 'net like I was playin' hackey-sack, I gotta tell ya, them other boards was wack, I guess the fancy HTML user was smokin' crack, I decided to come back today, To keep showing you rhymes that are sway, I'm hard like clay, my birthday's in May, Dudes like my rap so much they turn gay, Now I gotta go, play that chord, Ashton returns to The Pen is Mightier than The Sword! Oh yeah!
Nobody of Consequence Posted June 4, 2003 Report Posted June 4, 2003 A horde of cute lil monkeys screeches into the room, lugging a laptop with them. They chatter animatedly, then begin to hammer furiously at the keyboard. A strangely familiar voice begins to boom out of the laptop speakers ... Ashton is back! Ashton is back! Take your hand outta your pants, and stop playing with your hackey-sack. You bringing your rhymes back to these boards but they're gonna get wiped by this monkey horde. You're harder than clay? What is this? You got some viagra to make your whiz fizz? Clay's soft and pliable until it gets fired. Your rhymes leave you liable, it's time to retire. Ah, here we go, throw in a gay joke, follow it up with some hand-pump virility. Don't make us yawn. Your rhymes are not porn. Tired old tropes aren't proof of ability. Blades is back! Blades is back! Yeah, we can see his back. Cos he's grabbing his ankles, kissing his ass goodbye. Stuck his head in the earth and called it the sky. We see the place where the sun don't shine. Must be the place where you find your rhymes. Here, let us get you some paper and an eraser and here's some incence to disguise the flavour. King of Blades, you ain't no Ginsu. Brother, we own you, we want our money back. Tried to put you to use and you just cracked. Your crack pipe is clay? Is that your inspiration? Your use-by's today. Welcome to your expiration. The cute lil monkeys stop typing, then start playing "8 Mile" on the laptop's DVD, pauing every once in a while to look from Ashton to the screen and back with a raucous cheer. OOC: Had a read through this thread, and was impressed by what I saw. Hope you don't mind a challenge - this could be fun
AshtonBlades Posted June 5, 2003 Author Report Posted June 5, 2003 (Oh yeah...I'm gonna enjoy this...) You really need to stop this rap, the lines you spit smell just like monkey crap, So now you gonna hate on hackey-sack? Yo' sacks a Happy Meal, mine's a Big Mac, I guess you could call me Darth Vader, The stage is the Death Star, the mic's my light saber, Memory of Consequence? What a coincedence, While my raps smooth, your rhymes are full of dents, I ain't gotta cuss in my rap to sound tight, This ain't a rated R movie, Jesus Christ! Now leave with all you're monkey horde, Before I twist you up like mic's extension cord.
Peredhil Posted June 5, 2003 Report Posted June 5, 2003 Peredhil, who's been enjoying the clever 'trash-talking' repartee, winces visibles as he hears Jesus' name used casually just for effect. Ouch.
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