Tavarilyn Posted December 13, 2005 Report Posted December 13, 2005 before she knows she knows she knows I can see a lie when I see one, built of pursed lips and red eyes of tears wrung from guilt and fear "I'm disappointed" is more a battle hymn or a mantra sitting in the same chair I sat in at 3 a leader before and a follower later we creep through a jungle all tipped blocks and jump ropes lips almost to the forbidden plastic bag but yanked back by the scruff and "this is the sort of child we don't want to be" at 5 driven by some wild impulse pelting them with rocks in the open daylight laugh at the game they scramble like ants and in flies the nun ruler in hand at 7 in a new school where new kids are the next big fad the center of attention more like bargining chips in some bizarre power struggle where the mayor's daughter assumes her father's throne early at 9 two schools later when memories have already cemented glued themselves into not-yet-enemies the inbetween years sit heavy and laden with foreboding they tell a tale wherein a necklace determines all fates at 11 on the threshhold looms the reality no one mentions kisses, once exchanged, cannot be taken back they hate because they understand too well where it all leads in the end at 13 bled out, sick of popularity blinded by hormones by supposed duty "school party" synonimizes with den of inquity with raw hatred unleashed inside loving feelings lost at 15 faced with looming responsibility yet maneuvering around it hoping those patterns sensed behind Mommy and Daddy are nothing more than poltergeists left behind by someone else at 17 in the dead of the night marched into the tomb of the master bedroom sitting at the edge "Daddy, I won't ever do it again." was a lie given just as easily in a dark room on a bed at 19 haunted by the lie ripped into multiplicity of the homemaker teenager embodiment of everything spurned scorned, abused desperate to escape the totality of the rapine at 21 purging it all in a fit of reality bearing the bloody cross while pride suffered the weight of sanity alone, with friends alone, with child alone, with self at 23 delving through the hurt to see the shores of hope wash away with the tides slip through fingers still bloody, raw with tears barely gripping the sands through the hourglass at 25 wrung or at least twisting agonized, antagonized, forced not bowing stable or at least willing forged, reforged, bent, not broken, attempting to be whole after she knew, she knew, she knew as I burn those chairs needing stability for their pyre watching across the flames the sib urns Daddy's ashes out of love and I urn Mommy's because
Peredhil Posted December 13, 2005 Report Posted December 13, 2005 What an amazing saga through the years Full of truths hidden beneath the fears Opened into cleansing light at last. Welcome to the Pen. If you always write from the heart, you'll stay an astounding poet.
Katzaniel Posted December 13, 2005 Report Posted December 13, 2005 Wow. This is quite amazing. I wanted to offer just one suggestion: Instead of "at 3", "at 5", et cetera, I would recommend "age 3", "age 5" because it took me a while to realize that you weren't describing times. Unless, of course, you want the reader to remain in doubt for a little bit, leaving the thinking as an exercise to keep them involved in the poem, or for some other reason.
Tavarilyn Posted December 13, 2005 Author Report Posted December 13, 2005 Well, one _wow_ deserves another. -Wow-. I'm surprised, but pleased, at both your reactions. Thank you for such a warm welcome! Regarding your suggestions, Katzaniel, I wanted the poem to speak for itself, to let the imagery give rise to understanding of what was happening. I think, perhaps, that using the word "age" takes something away from the flow of the poem and the idea. The idea, rather than watching these things happen, was to describe a quick montage of thoughts.... I believe that I've succeeded, judging by the reactions... and perhaps another revision is in order. I look forward to more feedback, if I manage to get it. -grin- Thank you again!
Peredhil Posted December 14, 2005 Report Posted December 14, 2005 Just a suggestion - If you revise, do it here in the thread, and make it a new post. That way others can track the growth of a poem, from it's beginning to its final form, and we can all learn from it together.
reverie Posted December 15, 2005 Report Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) I agree, very nice... but: "sib urns" meaning escapes me, as does the use of "urn" for in the next sentence. And I'd suggest the use of "commas" in you last stanza, "she knew, she knew, she knew..." inorder to mirror the first stanza's, "she knows she knows she knows" Also, it seems you have built a fairly complex metaphore encompassed by a "before and after" frame. The two outside frame stanza's seem to be taking place in the present, while the "at age..." stanzas seem a life time of reflections chronicling past disappoitments of some sort which the main speaker is using as a reference to judge or view the actions of the unvoiced other person in the first stanza. kind of like, a parent saying to a child, "you can't fool me, I've seen it all before." *** Another take, i have on this, is of a Mother in the first stanza sitting with her daughter. The mother is clearly disappointed and the daughther has an inkling of this. However, it is unclear to me, whether or not the person that is saying "I'm diappointed" is the mother, and if that is so, if the Mother is the main persona of the poem. This all ties back into the "sib" part, which make wonder if there is not a third persona in the First stanza. That of an Older of sister, and the older sister is watching her Mother punish her younger sister in the same fashion that she was once punished. Yet, the conclusion escapes me. It seems it hinges on the "sib urns" line. And since "sib" can mean "kin." And "urns," seem to be related to cremation, and since you using it as a verb here, I conclude it may me something like: The relative takes Daddy's ashes out of love, and Mom's just because... Which make me wonder, why there seems to be a stronger tie to the father. And it also reinforces for me, that a third personal voiced as a sister may exist. Whew... So, I see LOTS potenial in the poem. You may want to consider writing a few variation on your theme and see what fruit it brings. Also, the "at Age 7" stanza strikes me as an flawed metaphore, or only half of one. I can see how being a new kid could be like the Mayor's daughter stepping up prematurely. But I don't get how they would be seen as bargining chips or how the daughter of a Mayor could ever assume throne in the first place. But the throne itself could be intended as metaphorical to the position itself, as with the process of assumption. Even taking that into conderation, it still seems an awkard or incomplete metaphore. Though, I'm probably just missing something. Also, given the strong catholic school references in this poems, (Nuns, rulers etc..) I wonder if the "at age 9" stanza's necklace is refering to a cross, rosary beads, or some other religious icon. Other musings lead me to see premarital sex and an unexpected pregnacy may also be a huge theme in poem. Though the details are a little fuzzy. I draw this conclusion largely from Stanza's dealing with ages "17, 19, and 21." Oh and least I forget, "age 15" seems to almost foreshadow the next few, with the lines: hoping those patterns sensed behind Mommy and Daddy are nothing more than poltergeists left behind by someone else Which seems like your speakers, trying not to repeat the mistakes of that her parent made, but once again, that mistakes/patterns or even inherited traits are fuzzy too. Whew... So, I think you got a gold mine material here. cheers, rev... Edited December 15, 2005 by reverie
reverie Posted December 15, 2005 Report Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) On second look, I dismiss my notion of a third persona in the first stanza. And see it again as a mother daugther combo, but with the daughter this time being disappointed... disappointed in what? Now that would be the question. Hmm, maybe the main speaker is disappointed in her mom's pretence. Though, I'm not sure what that mask or "lie" consist of... Hmm, maybe they're at the father's funeral, and the mother feels not grief, but guilt over his death, or maybe she even had a hand in it Intriguing, yet preplexing... hmm. So dad's gone and passed away in the last stanza as well, and maybe the mother has died in a way herself. Oh she's still breathing, but the daughter is doing something to "urn" her. I do love abstration and obscurity. Maybe a little to much really, since I'm supposed to be writting more concrete in order to achieve more balance in my poems. i.e. so other people can understand them. But, I still ask the question, why do they need to understand them, and the answer I get is, "oh they don't, but if you are the only one that understands your poetry, then what you are really writing is journal...and there's nothing wrong with that." Edited December 15, 2005 by reverie
Recommended Posts