Harry Potter Spoilery

[drummondo]

Anyone know who R.A.B is? I have theories

 

It might be Amelia Bones. She might not use her first name (A bit like Tonks), and she was mentioned by Fudge in the first chapter. She's dead, killed personally by Voldemort.

 

Then there's Sirius' brother, I think his name's Regalus. That would be Regalus Black (R. He was a former death eater, but saw the error of his ways. It gives him a reason to go after Voldemort's horcruxes, and would also be a mega reason for Voldemort to kill him.

 

Any other ideas?

[Valdar and Astralis]

/bonk drummondo - no spoilers in this thread

 

Maybe we can set up another one for spoilery stuff?

[Gwaihir]

Valdar,

your wish is my command. Here is a seperate thread.

[Valdar and Astralis]

Wheee!

*Giggles and hangs on to the forklift as Gwai carts off part of the thread*

[Valdar and Astralis]

Very few people know of the horcruxes, and even fewer know there are 7. The wording of the letter has 2 high points:

 

"To the Dark Lord"<-I think this sort of implies a death eater, as you said

 

"I have stolen the real Horcrux"<-Implies whoever took it assumes there is only 1.

 

Disgruntled death eater, as you mentioned maybe. It sure sounds like someone who's pissed off at him anyway

[drummondo]

How about this one;

 

Harry Potter is a horcrux

[Gwaihir]

and it kind of fits that no death eater would know too much about V (enough to know how many horcruxes he had,) since he never trusts anyone.

 

and it actually is worth wondering what makes Harry special. We know that Voldemort only went after him becaues of the prophecy, but is he just a normal boy otherwise? Probably not--normal boys don't survive Adava Kedavra (sp?.)

[drummondo]

I thought surviving Avada Kedavra was down to the magic that Voldemort doesn't have; that of love.

[Gryphon]

This is the craziest kind of pure speculation brought on by nothing more than what's just been posted here, but wouldn't it be amusing if the whole final Harry Potter / Voldemort showdown came down to that same bit of magic?

 

I can see it now:

 

Harry spends his next year hunting down and destroying Voldemort's horcrux's with the ever faithful help of Ron and Herimone, evading Voldemort and his death eaters by the narrowest of margins at every turn, who in turn chases them relentlessly leaving bodies in his wake.

 

Harry and co. destroy the last of the horcrux when Voldemort catches up with them. Horrified, or at least very angry that someone has figured out the whole horcrux thing Voldemort moves to kill Harry, Ron and Herimone before they find and destroy the rest of his horcrux's (without knowing that they already have).

 

Climactic battle scene with Harry and co defying the dark lord who strikes them down one at a time. As Voldemort does this one of Harry's ever faithful friends, knowing that he's their 'last hope' and with all the love their tight-knit friendship has produced weaves the same spell that protected Harry the first time.

 

Voldemort sneers at the 'pathetic attempt' to stop him and hits Harry with his oh so faithful Avada Kedavra only to have it bounce... again. Only this time there are no horcrux to save him and he dies the true death.

 

Harry comes to later with a splitting headache, all his friends dead around him (or at least some of them), hailed as a hero to the entire wizarding community and in his grief at the loss of those nearest and dearest to him goes to hide in the amazon rainforests to raise dragons until Ginny tracks him down (once she's left school) to drag him back to London, marry him and prove that it's safe to love again... the end.

 

~~~

 

Nah, like anyone would believe that. Guess we'll just have to wait for the next book. Hurry up please J.K Rowling. Go back to the 1 year gap between books and end the suspense for us we beg of you!

Edited July 20, 2005 by Gryphon

[Mynx]

All I have to say at the moment is Harry Potter is as much a git as Peter Parker and deserves a swift kick up the arse.

*grins*

Sorry, but I think the reasoning "I love you but am going to dump you BECAUSE I love you and don't want you to get hurt" is the DUMBEST reasoning to exist.

 

Good book though...

 

Shame about Dumbledore...

[Valdar and Astralis]

Interview with JK Rowling about book 6/7:

 

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml

[Gwaihir]

Harry's mom can't be the first loving person who's seen their loved one's get killed.

 

Eh, you guys could well be right, but I find it very non-satisfying if Harry is some normal kid and the only reason he can beat the dark lord is because the dark lord worried about it.

[Izabella]

I don't think Harry is a horcrux, because as far as I can tell, all the horcruxes must be destroyed for Voldemort to die, and that implies that Harry would have to die as well.

 

I also don't think that Snape killed Dumbledore our of maliciousness or anger, but because Dumbledore ordered him to. It is uncharacterisitic for Dumbldore to beg for his life, or to have made such a big error in judging Snape's character. That would also explain why he gets so angry when Harry calls him a coward later on, and his covert instructions to Harry regarding the necessity for him to master non-verbal spells.

 

Finally, I think the evidence for RAB thus far points to Regulus. As already mentioned, he did have a change of heart and try to escape the Death Eaters. He comes off to me as sort of a pansy, so I dunno if he was a good enough wizard to get to the locket. However, in OotP when Harry et al are helping Sirius clean out Girmmauld Place, they do find a golden locket that cannot be opened. I imagine it's still in the house, and that it mught be Slytherin's locket. Also, I'm not sure that Harry actually does own Grimmauld place. Kreacher may be acting on Bellatrix' orders to obey Harry no matter what, until they can trap him in the house.

[Gryphon]

It would appear from having read that interview that the key wasn't so much that Harry's mum was killed to protect him, and more that she was given a very clear choice to live and turned it down. JK Rowling seemed pretty clear on the fact that no-one else had ever been offered that deal before, so it was probably what turned the balance.

 

I notice that she's also keeping Snape's allegiance very quiet. I cannot honestly see Dumbledore ordering Snape to kill him, however I can't imagine him being completely blind to the possibility of betrayal either. After all, Snape's ability to keep others out of his mind would work as well against Dumbledore as it supposedly does against Voldemort.

 

I honestly cannot come up with a viable reason that Dumbledore could misjudge Snape but I'm equally sure that she's got a good reason for it (beyond the need for Dumbledore to die so that Harry can finish the process of his growing up). Snape is such a pivotal character that I could see him being used either way at the end - either being at Voldemort's side and turning on him at the last second to save Harry (Darth Vader + Luke anyone?) or maybe killing Voldemort once Harry is dead. I guess he coudl also help the dark side win... but I'd prefer a story where good triumphs in the end.

 

For what it's worth, I also think that Sirus's will holds true and Harry owns Kreacher and Grimmauld Place. I can't see any number of orders making Kreacher do what Harry says without subversion if Harry wasn't his master.

 

(Enough idle speculation out of me - I've got to get back to work... I still say bring on the last book asap.)

[Valdar and Astralis]

Now that would be a plot twist, Harry being Snape's lovechild (Lily Potter didn't hate Snape as James did remember! )

 

Snape: "No, Harry - I am your father!

Harry: "Noooooooo"

 

. . .But I doubt it. Highly.

 

 

Gwai - up till the end of GOF, Harry _was_ special. He was the only one immune to Voldemort's magic. Even now, he's still partially immune because their wands repel each other. Voldemort also can't penetrate his mind without extreme pain (I think?)

 

However, I beg to differ on if he's special or not I find it more appealing that a "normalish" guy (He comes of age soon) rising up to the challenge of defeating the Dark Lord of the Sith rather than being the "Chosen One" with ub3r l333333333t powers that none can match.

 

I'm really at a loss on what's going to happen next. They're basicly without guidance now. Unless Harry & co. suddenly develop powers waaayyy beyond their years, even destroying the Herocruxes is going to be an immense challenge (even the mightiest wizard of the day had his freaking hand burned off) If the other 3 are still hidden. . .yeah. Bit of a problem there.

[Gryphon]

I've a sudden vision, (I'm good at that when I'm supposed to be working), of all of them joining the Order of the Phoenix.

 

Harry either shapes up to be a natural leader or a git with a tendancy to leap headfirst into danger which the rest of the Order help bail him out of...

 

Herimone spends all her time in various super restricted libraries (access granted due to her connections in the Order) and finds ways to destroy horcroxes - sometimes the solution comes from the other two by putting together clues or blind stupid luck as per the other books.

 

I don't have a fabulous ending for that possible turn of the tale sadly, however since JK Rowling has demonstrated a willingness to kill off her own major characters we could well see at least a minor bloodbath with several major players going down.

 

Snape might have a moments hesitation or cause a moment's hesitation in Voldemort when it comes to killing Harry - maybe the self imposed debt of James saving Snapes life way back when kicks in? Good guys win - barely - or did they? were we sure that there were only 7 horcruxes made? and Harry goes to the amazon to raise dragons until Ginny comes to fetch him back so they can get married.

 

(It's still the best ending I can come up with on short notice.)

 

Sorry if these blurbs of mine are getting to anyone. I know this is a book 6 thread, but all I felt book 6 did was raise a heap more questions about how Book 7 is going to go... and since it's such a loooooooooong wait until the next one I have to amuse myself somehow.

[Mynx]

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Wormtail will have something to do with Harry's survival? (If, indeed he is meant to survive).

After he (Harry) saved the rat's life in Prisoner of Azkaban, Dumbledore told Harry that Wormtail now had a debt of his life to Harry, and as much as the boy may dislike it such things can be useful.

 

I can't help but wonder...

[elvenfury150]

Could wormtails debt be anything like the vow that snape and narcissa took because if it is then wormtail might have to save harry or he dies because he did not atempt to save hp just an idea

 

 

Edited July 21, 2005 by elvenfury150

[Peredhil]

Personally, I find the repetition of the parallels between Riddle, Snape, and Harry being continually drawn to be of significance. Riddle being "lord", Snape being the self-styled "prince" and both of them being half-bloods (1/2 being Muggle), the same as Harry. It is worthy of note that half-blood doesn't mean both parents aren't magical. Notice also that all three have similar attitudes and reactions to things, being very quick to anger, judgement, and pride. The difference in Harry may be considered due to the incredible influence of Dumbledore's constant push toward empathy and love.

Personally, I see Snape as being incredibly brave, and on the side of right. I think it no mistake that the Potion book was found in Snape's room and given to Harry - and that it not only helped Harry in his weakest Auror subject, but also gave him very necessary side knowledge. A way of Snape helping Harry without being obvious to anyone at all, and thus avoid having to lie in the presence of Riddle. Snape's "accidental" sharing of his humiliations at the hands of Harry's father is another thing that has helped Harry to develop empathy and compassion, even if Harry is still too stupid to apply it to his enemies.

That he spurns Ginny, a source of love, is a statement to me that he still doesn't understand what Dumbledore had tried throughout the course, even unto his death, to teach Harry.

Notice that Dumbledore's hand is evident even after death- the intelligence of Dumbledore is present in Hermy. The passion and dedication in Harry. And Ron is a constant reminder of family, love, concern, dedication, and "parent", to stiffen his will yet keep him soft and flexible.

 

Predictions: Wormtail and Malfoy with both play parts in betraying Riddle. When you look at it, Dumbledore planted a seed with Malfoy, and saved him from soul-tearing murder. Snape knows the danger of murder - and took it on himself to kill Dumbledore so that Malfoy didn't.

 

Just random brainstorming.

[Valdar and Astralis]

As one of my friends pointed out, it might be very well that JK Rowling is sitting somewhere going "DO I NEED TO TATOO "SNAPE IS EVIL" ON MY FOREHEAD TO GET IT THROUGH TO YOU PEOPLE??!!"

 

But it's so fun theorizing

[Gryphon]

As far as Snape goes... I can't say that I actually trust him any more than Harry does... but considering that I'm gunning for a happy ending where the good guys win, I can see where Dumbledore was coming from and I do actually deep down hope that Snape is on the side of the Order (in the end).

 

...

 

 

He's probably not tho... guy's a right slimeball.

 

 

...

 

Raises a glass and encourages every one to drink a toast... To hope.

[Peredhil]

Snape is so OBVIOUSLY bad - just as Fleur was so OBVIOUSLY shallow. Isn't it a theme, that people aren't simple stereotypes and appearances are always deceiving?

[Valdar and Astralis]

I never thought of Fleur was shallow She did get into the Tri-wizard competition, didn't she?

[Gwaihir]

She's so darnded annoyingly shallow at the Weasley's though.

[Salinye]

Well, I have a few thoughts on this now that I'm done with the book.

 

First and foremost, I totally agree with Mynx about the whole "spiderman movie cliche" of I have to dump you because I love you, thing. Total git move.

 

Secondly, I have been thinking about the scenario with Snape and Dumbledore. In this book, they put a lot of emphasis on two things that I think have been overlooked in this thread. First, Snape was VERY VERY gifted at Occlumency or however you spell it. So, it is very likely that Dumbledore could have had messages for Snape at the forefront of his mind.

 

Also, they put a heavy emphasis on non verbal spells in this book. Who knows what Snape might have done before actually casting the curse that killed Dumbledore. I'm of the personal opinion that Dumbledore knew everything that was going on with Snape and Malfoy including the unbreakable vow. I think he would consider his death a small price to pay for continuing to bring down Voldemort.

 

Just like at the cave, he was more than willing to cast his life aside for the cause. I also believe that Dumbledore would rather have Snape kill him than see Malfoy forced to do it. Dumbldeore cares for Malfoy as much as any other student.

 

So is Dumbledore already dead? Perhaps. Did Snape kill him? Perhaps. I'm still holding my breath thinking that Snape in the end will prove to be on the good side, despite his nasty disposition.

 

My final comment is that I think Greyback is the scariest character to arise in the series yet. He's truly disgusting evil. His presence in the book brings it a darker tone.

 

I really enjoyed this book and can't wait until the next!

 

~Salinye